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Ashley:
That is Actual Property Rookie episode 126. My title is Ashley Kehr, and I’m right here with my co-host Tony Robinson for one more rookie reply. Tony, what’s going on as we speak?

Tony:
What’s up, Ash? Right this moment’s an excellent day. I truly didn’t share this with you but, however my son, Sean, he’s in eighth grade and he ran for ASB president. And we discovered yesterday afternoon that he gained. So he’s formally class president. So my spouse, Sarah, she’s one of the best at making individuals really feel particular when issues like this occur. So this morning she awoke and he or she discovered a neighborhood limousine firm. So we’re going to select up Sean in a limousine from college and take him and his mates out to get ice cream afterwards, just like the presidential therapy as soon as he will get out of college as we speak.

Ashley:
Oh, my God. Are you going to have the little tiny American flags and stuff for him?

Tony:
We’d must. Stick them on the automotive or one thing like that.

Ashley:
Oh, my God. That’s so superior. What a singular expertise for him.

Tony:
So we’re excited.

Ashley:
I keep in mind seeing on social media too Sarah making the posters.

Tony:
The posters had been so nice. So for these of you that don’t observe me on Instagram, I posted some photos, my spouse and I did, and we took a bunch of standard means and we repurposed them to be about my son’s election. So all of the academics had been cracking up about it. So yeah, it appeared to go over fairly properly with the children too.

Ashley:
God, I actually obtained to step up my sport. I imply, I take my child to the tractor retailer to pick a toy tractor. Oh, man. That’s superior. I’m so glad he gained. Oh, that’s so nice.

Tony:
I respect that. I suppose the one different factor, we’re about to record our first Joshua Tree flip. So this might be a turnkey Airbnb that we’re promoting in Joshua Tree. I’m certain by the point this one airs, we’ll most likely have already got it listed, however I’m excited to form of get into that enterprise. And I feel there’s a variety of alternative for us there to make use of our sources and our experience in that market, and form of construct a extra turnkey product for traders that wish to get began in short-term leases however don’t fairly need the headache of getting to rehab a property.

Ashley:
That’s superior. I can’t wait to see how briskly and the way properly it sells. The final property you offered, I imply, that was, what? 100 thousand greater than what to procure it for a yr earlier than that? That’s superior.

Tony:
Yeah, yeah.

Ashley:
I truly simply closed, so final Friday, so 4 days in the past, on my flip, my first flip, unintentional flip. And so I picked up the examine yesterday and it was thrilling.

Tony:
Yeah. One of many issues that folks all the time not hate on, however one of many issues that folks all the time say in relation to flips is, “Oh, flipping’s cool, however it’s a must to pay a variety of taxes.” Now let me ask you, Ashley, once you obtained your examine, did they instantly withhold the taxes out of your examine and say, “Hey, we’re retaining 40%”? Or do you because the investor have the chance to take your complete examine, after which primarily based on the way you land on the finish of the yr along with your complete enterprise is once you pay the taxes on that flip?

Ashley:
Properly, you may pay estimated quarterly taxes, however no cash comes proper out of it. You’ll pay that on the finish of the yr once you file your taxes, or make quarterly funds. However since my husband is a farmer, we don’t should make estimated funds primarily based off of our revenue. However as the actual property revenue grows, we’ll ultimately should make these quarterly. Properly, most likely this coming yr, we’ll should make these quarterly estimate funds primarily based off of that revenue.

Tony:
Yeah, however the good factor too is that, and that is what I’m working with my CPA on is, in the event you get designated as an actual property skilled, then the losses that you simply make out of your rental properties can offset your energetic revenue. And issues like flipping, issues like wholesaling, these are thought-about energetic revenue, so in the event you do an excellent job of managing your write-offs because of appreciation and issues like that out of your rental properties, then your tax legal responsibility in your issues like flipping and wholesaling can get dramatically lowered as properly.

Ashley:
Yeah. And that’s a factor we will use too for the farm revenue too, be capable to offset it towards the farm revenue to our rental.

Tony:
Yeah. Now we’re not CPAs. Proper? So go speak to your CPA, get that checked out first. However I hear so many individuals say that. They’re like, “Oh man, flipping’s cool, however you pay a lot in taxes.” And it’s like, “Okay, there are methods to leverage your complete actual property enterprise to legally and ethically cut back your tax legal responsibility.”

Ashley:
Yeah. But in addition you issue that in once you do the flip. You’ll be able to run that as a part of your numbers. “Okay, that is what I’m truly going to internet after I pay taxes on it.” And that quantity nonetheless could also be method higher than the zero you had earlier than you probably did the flip.

Tony:
Proper. And in the event you’re working a W-2, you’re paying taxes anyway. Proper?

Ashley:
Proper, yeah.

Tony:
So it’s like, you ought to be used to that. ?

Ashley:
Yeah. The distinction there’s that you simply’re paying self-employment tax doing the flipping, in comparison with when you have a W-2 job, the corporate you’re employed for is paying that self-employment tax for you or the worker tax, no matter. Yeah, we’re positively not CPAs. Truly, I don’t know if I’ve ever mentioned this earlier than, however properly, I used to be an accountant, most of you understand that, for like six months, as a result of I hated it, after school and I stop. However I did take one a part of the CPA examination. I can’t even inform you what half it was, however flunked it. Failed it. And that was much more of like… It’s a actually arduous examination to take, supposedly, individuals say. So I took one a part of it and I failed it. I don’t suppose I flunked it. I don’t keep in mind precisely what the rating was, however I didn’t move. And I feel that was much more motivation for me to stop and resolve that accounting was not for me.

Tony:
It was simply not for you.

Ashley:
Yeah, as a result of I prefer to succeed.

Tony:
Yeah. I imply, however six months, you gave it your finest shot. Let me ask you this, Ashley. What was the shortest time you ever spent at any job?

Ashley:
It was the one job I ever obtained fired from. It was once I was residence from school, I began waitressing in a restaurant. So all by way of highschool, I labored at a dive bar restaurant as a hostess and waitress. And it was only a tight-knit group of individuals and tremendous informal, no expectations, no matter, simply enjoyable. Then I went and labored at extra of a company form of restaurant, I suppose, probably not a sequence, but it surely wasn’t as enjoyable and simply very completely different, much more structured. And there was a two-week probation interval. And on the finish of the 2 weeks, they mentioned to me that I didn’t smile sufficient and so they weren’t going to rent me.

Tony:
That was simply so humorous as a result of if we have a look at Ashley as we speak, it’s like, you’re one of many smiliest those that I’ve ever met. In order that they missed out, their loss.

Ashley:
That’s how depressing I used to be at that job.

Tony:
Soul sucking. Proper?

Ashley:
That’s what it was. Yeah. What about you? What about yours?

Tony:
The shortest period of time I spent in a job, I used to be in highschool and I obtained a job at a neighborhood grocery retailer as a bag boy. And I had labored earlier than. I’d been working all by way of highschool and I obtained this job as a second job. So I used to be working two jobs in highschool. And I used to be there for, I feel, 4 weeks or perhaps even three weeks. And I left after one in all my shifts, and I simply by no means went again. I didn’t choose up the cellphone. They had been calling me, saying, “Hey, you…” I didn’t even go choose up my final examine. I used to be like, “You guys can preserve it. I’m advantageous. I don’t ever wish to return.” It was one of many worst jobs I’ve ever had in my life. Not one thing I’m pleased with, however hey, you bought to do what you want.

Ashley:
Trying again now on the jobs that you simply’ve had, the roles you loved, the roles you’ve hated. Do you suppose there have been indicators, there have been clues, there was purple flags that form of made you, like wanting again now you may notice you had been made to be an entrepreneur?

Tony:
I feel I used to be tainted from the start as a result of I knew once I was 16 that I wished to work for myself. So I all the time knew that, “Okay, this isn’t my long-term factor.” I used to be all the time an amazing worker, simply because I’ve robust satisfaction in my work ethic, however I feel it was arduous for me to be that loyal worker that may give all the things to this firm as a result of I knew on the finish of the day, I wasn’t constructing one thing for myself if I did that, I used to be constructing one thing for any person else.

Ashley:
Yeah. I form of seen that for myself. Look, I didn’t know that I wished to be an entrepreneur in any respect, however wanting again and searching on the completely different kind of labor environments, I positively would have a extremely arduous time going again to an workplace job or having a boss. Simply having the pliability and spontaneity that I do now, I feel it could be actually arduous. However even in highschool, taking a look at how I labored at that one restaurant the place it was identical to a dive bar, it was very relaxed. All people labored arduous and did an amazing job as a result of they loved working with one another, and there was no strict guidelines. It wasn’t company, it wasn’t like a franchise, no matter. After which going and dealing at a restaurant that was, after which I labored a few retail shops within the mall all through school. And simply taking a look at these, geez, I didn’t like company construction or construction in any respect.

Tony:
And also you see that with a variety of entrepreneurs, proper? They’ve obtained this robust will that’s arduous to form of preserve reigned in.

Ashley:
And an enormous factor about accounting too, was sitting on the desk daily and doing just about the identical duties time and again.

Tony:
Each single day.

Ashley:
Sure, there was completely different firms you had been doing, so they’d completely different bills or no matter, however actually it was the identical factor time and again day, whether or not taxes or auditing, the identical steps, processes, and I simply can’t do the identical factor daily.

Tony:
Ashley’s not saying this to make enjoyable of all of the accountants on the market.

Ashley:
Oh, no.

Tony:
So in the event you’re an accountant, don’t take this to coronary heart.

Ashley:
I’m saying in my character as to how I’m that I perform higher and I’ve a greater work ethic when I’m not sitting at a desk and doing the identical factor time and again, and I get pleasure from it so much higher. However no, I feel if anyone was going to go to varsity, they knew they had been going to be an actual property investor, however nonetheless wished to go to varsity, I’d say, “Go for accounting.” It, I feel, gave me an enormous benefit as to understanding financials, analyzing the offers. After which additionally simply doing the bookkeeping, I feel, and understanding revenue and loss assertion, a stability sheet, tips on how to truly file a transaction, I feel positively helped me so much. What about you, Tony? What would you say could be an enormous benefit in the event you’re had been going to, needed to go to varsity for one thing?

Tony:
Man, that may be a nice query. For me as an actual property investor, if there was one factor that I’d return to high school for, I don’t know. I’ve a couple of issues that bounce out to me, proper? I feel a communications diploma, and this may sound bizarre. Proper? However I feel a communications diploma may assist so much as a result of I really feel like a variety of being a profitable actual property investor is your capability to speak successfully, proper? Whether or not that’s, you’re speaking along with your banker, you’re speaking with a possible companion. You’re speaking along with your tenants. You’re speaking with whoever. I feel having the ability to make a robust presentation and articulate your ideas in a really clear method may be tremendous helpful. And I feel lots of people battle with that. So I feel that’s one factor.

Ashley:
So like a copywriter?

Tony:
Possibly a copywriter. Which may work as properly.

Ashley:
So simply to offer you guys a bit of backstory actual fast, and I didn’t even suppose you’ll say something near this once I requested you this query, however after we had been in Las Vegas, me, him and his spouse had been sitting, we had been simply… Low key evening. We had interviewed all people, and we had been simply sitting having a drink. And Tony says, “Let’s do that query sport.” So it’s like as an alternative of 20 questions, it’s like 100 questions, but it surely’s tremendous deep thought issues. And one of many questions was, what was it? Like in the event you could possibly be…

Tony:
Like in the event you may have any capability.

Ashley:
Oh, in the event you may have any tremendous energy, what would it not be? And I can’t keep in mind what me and Sarah mentioned, but it surely was like invisible or superhuman energy. I don’t know, one thing. And he goes, he says, “Copywriting.” Copywriting could be his superpower that he would have. Just a bit perception into the actual Tony Robinson.

Tony:
Into the actual Tony Robinson. And I stand by that reply. I nonetheless stand by it.

Ashley:
That’s such an excellent reply although, communication, going for that, as a result of take into consideration content material creation, how invaluable and what a software that’s even for actual property traders as we speak. Take into consideration what number of alternatives and connections. And we even have a episode developing. I feel it’s episode 118. Oh no, we already did it. You guys already listened to it, so return in the event you didn’t take heed to it already. Katie on episode 118, it’s a Saturday episode speaking about social media and the advantages of that and having actually good descriptions once you’re doing a put up, and actually getting throughout what you’re making an attempt to say. So that may be a good level. What was the opposite factor you had been going to say earlier than I rudely minimize you off?

Tony:
No, no, no. We’re good. So the communication piece is sweet. I feel, such as you mentioned, the monetary facets, whether or not that’s accounting or that’s even like economics or finance, I feel something numbers associated is tremendous helpful. I feel the final one which I used to be saying, this one’s form of out of left discipline too, however I feel an engineering diploma would assist so much as properly. And right here’s why. I began off my undergrad as an engineering main, and one of many issues they pressed into me throughout my undergrad is that school for engineers isn’t essentially about providing you with all the technical information that you simply’ll should be a profitable engineer since you get that on the job. What school is actually about is educating you to suppose critically and remedy actually tough issues.
And I feel that skillset, in the event you actually hone that over 4 years, that’s going to serve you most likely far and above any copywriting, analyst, monetary, no matter, having the ability to see an issue, give it some thought in a logical method, systematically break it down after which go after correcting that drawback. I feel that’s an enormous capability and skillset to have.

Ashley:
Tony, that’s such an excellent level. And that’s actually fascinating too, as a result of my brother was over for the soccer sport the opposite evening, and he’s a senior in highschool. And he mentioned that he desires to go to high school for engineering. And all of us had been like, “No, don’t go to varsity. It’s a waste. Work with Ashley or go do that with dad,” and all this stuff. However he mentioned he wished to go for engineering, so it’s fascinating you say that. However drawback fixing is unquestionably a invaluable talent and asset to have.

Tony:
Properly, we’re midway by way of the episode. Hopefully, I haven’t misplaced all people. We haven’t gotten to the meat and potatoes, however I feel we dropped some good gems alongside the best way. Proper?

Ashley:
I imply, that would have been our meat and potatoes that we simply did.

Tony:
That’s true.

Ashley:
A Actual Property Rookie reply ramble.

Tony:
Properly, I imply, ought to we minimize it there or ought to we go into what we wished to speak about? Or do you are feeling like we dropped sufficient information as we speak?

Ashley:
Is there the rest we wished to complete off with this subject? Like, okay, right here’s a query for you, to maintain it going. If somebody shouldn’t be certain the trail that… They’re a teen proper now, or perhaps they’re beginning over of their life and so they can do no matter they need. How do they resolve what kind of job or perhaps they’re not able to be a full-time investor but. And never even simply the educational tips on how to change into an issue solver, the job itself, however how do they determine what job they’d truly get pleasure from doing? Like how we talked about, I loved a freer, looser atmosphere in comparison with a company, structured atmosphere, and I labored higher in that.

Tony:
That’s a extremely good query, Ashley, and a deep one, as a result of I feel it hits a variety of, I wouldn’t say lies, however perhaps misconceptions that folks have about their working profession. I feel for me, the aim of my W-2 job was to assist me obtain my objective of turning into an entrepreneur. My objective of my W-2 job was by no means to let that be my supply of ardour in life. It was by no means to be my supply of achievement in life. It was actually there to assist me obtain my objectives of sooner or later working for myself. So for me, I had an enormous focus in my W-2 job of how do I shortly develop the revenue that I’m receiving from my W-2? So I busted my ass. I switched firms. I continued to bust my ass. I obtained promotions, saved some huge cash. And it was that basis that I used to be capable of construct financially from my W-2 that allowed me to form of step full-time into actual property investing.
I feel there are some those that, and understandably so, as a result of I really feel like society form of actually pushed this concept, however there are lots of people that suppose that their W-2 job has to meet so many various components of their life, proper? It must be their ardour. Like their job ought to be the factor that will get them up off the bed daily. They usually’re like, “Oh my God, I really like what I’m doing.” However actually, in the event you can say, “Possibly I don’t love this job, however I perceive that by me entering into this place, it’s going to assist me get to one thing I really like,” I feel that’s the place you may form of muscle by way of a variety of issues that occur.
So for me, I feel it finally is determined by what your objective is, proper? In case your objective is to purchase a bunch of leases, you’re most likely going to want a good quantity of capital at the very least to get began. So can your W-2 job allow you to obtain that? Proper? Like David Inexperienced all the time talks about when he was a cop, he was busting his ass as a cop, working all types of loopy extra time, paying money for all these homes, and ultimately had this snowball going after which he was capable of step away. So it’s like, are you able to observe that very same form of path for your self? As a result of I feel so usually individuals get caught up in looking for a W-2 job that fulfills all of their passions, that they find yourself form of underselling what they’re actually able to. I don’t know. Does that make sense? Possibly I’m rambling. I don’t know.

Ashley:
It does. So having a why and having a objective exterior of your W-2 can drive you to outlive your W-2, is having that factor to give attention to as, “That is why I’m working the W-2. That is why I’m grinding, in order that I can give attention to,” and never even caring in the event you get pleasure from it or not, since you’re going to benefit from the finish outcome. And the tip result’s going to be which you can step away due to your actual property investments earlier than you may step away in the event you depend on your pension at age 65 or one thing like that. And having that why to give attention to, that’s fascinating since you hear it a lot as to, “That is why you’re hustling and grinding at evening or early mornings in your actual property enterprise, due to your why,” however you don’t actually hear individuals discuss, “Oh, you’re hustling and grinding at your day job due to your why.” So it’s form of like these two issues it’s a must to stability them out and make them each be causes that get you nearer to your objective and your why.

Tony:
Yeah. Properly, what are your ideas on that, Ashley? What recommendation would you’ve gotten for somebody?

Ashley:
I suppose for mine it could be… I feel that’s a extremely good level. That’s one thing I actually considered, what you mentioned as to figuring out that you simply’re doing it for a purpose and also you’re getting by way of it. I do see lots of people who change jobs actually because they wish to discover a higher job, one thing that has extra flexibility perhaps, or they’ll do business from home, and so they find yourself simply bouncing from job to job each couple of years or each six months, considering that the following job goes to be higher, the place most likely they’re actually simply… That need, that zeal isn’t stuffed, and it’s most likely not going to be stuffed till they discover that factor they actually need and make it their very own enterprise or change into an entrepreneur primarily based off of that, that they’ll by no means truly be blissful. And I feel that form of rolls into your level as to only stick with one job and suck it dry for as a lot as you may, after which go and stay out your dream, whether or not that’s an actual property investor or no matter enterprise.
However one factor to consider too shouldn’t be solely the kind of particular person you might be as an worker and what you get pleasure from, however which actual property technique are you going to select too? Like in the event you actually hate your gross sales job of sitting on the telephones all day calling individuals, perhaps you don’t wish to be a wholesaler then. So take into consideration these issues too, as you’re desirous about what actual property technique goes to get you out of your W-2. Be sure you’re not making a job for your self.
And that’s all what Robert Kiyosaki talks about. And he was simply on the BiggerPockets OG Actual Property Podcast, in the event you guys wish to return and take heed to that, but it surely’s, don’t create a job for your self. You see a variety of impartial contractors, I suppose, the place they create a job for them. Just like the one I all the time consider is a chiropractor. So yeah, they begin their very own enterprise. Yay. However they’re solely getting cash in the event that they’re working. That’s a job. They should go there daily. They’ve to indicate up. So various things like that. The place in the event you’re constructing a enterprise or you might be an investor, you’ve gotten people who find themselves doing these duties for you, and it could run with out you. And that’s form of the last word objective for me, at the very least, the place I get to resolve what I wish to be concerned in. After which there’s different individuals to select up the slack once I resolve final minute, “Hey, I’m not going to be out there for a month. Take this off my plate.”

Tony:
I feel the one different factor I’d add, Ashley, is, and I’m speaking on to the listeners proper now could be that there’s most likely a variety of you who’ve a day job that you’re not tremendous obsessed with. So my first problem to you was, are you able to join the monetary incentives or monetary advantages of your job to your final objective of turning into an actual property investor? However my second problem to you which are listening could be, are you able to discover a piece of your job that you simply’re obsessed with? Possibly it’s not your complete factor, proper? Possibly there’s a variety of your day the place you’re like, “Oh man, I simply, I actually don’t get pleasure from this piece.” However is there one piece of that job which you can actually sink your tooth into?
And I can share my private expertise. Proper? Once I labored my W-2 jobs, I labored in warehousing and distribution. Proper? I ran a bunch of massive distribution facilities throughout North America. Do I personally have a deep ardour about shifting containers in and shifting containers out of distribution facilities? No, however the a part of the job that I discovered that I actually loved was the individuals aspect, proper? I had an enormous crew of individuals and I noticed individuals develop and mature and develop, and switch into leaders below my management. And I obtained a variety of pleasure out of that a part of my job. So for these of you which are in that related place, the place perhaps you don’t like shifting the containers out and in, are you able to discover a completely different a part of the job does contact your passions, that does peak your curiosity, that form of retains you engaged and motivated lengthy sufficient to work that job that will help you get to your final objective of turning into an actual property investor?

Ashley:
Yeah. That’s such an amazing level. And take into consideration like, simply say that was your form of, even your motivation as to, prefer to preserve doing it, since you’d see these individuals succeed and transfer up in your organization and alter, and that may offer you motivation to maintain doing it and preserve you impressed. So form of in search of these issues in it too, as to, is there one thing in that job that nearly challenges you? So for instance, in Tony’s scenario, if he has an worker, watching him develop and say, “Okay, let me see if I will help this worker do it and transfer on up?” So, yeah. That’s superior. Hey, properly, I’m spent. Are you aware what that’s from, what film?

Tony:
Is it Tommy Boy? No?

Ashley:
No, Austin Powers. Yeah. I’m spent.

Tony:
I attempted to look at Austin Powers with my son a few weeks in the past, and three minutes in I used to be like, “Okay, this isn’t the suitable film to look at with him, at the very least not but.” So I needed to flip it off.

Ashley:
Yeah, no, no, no. Oh, that’s humorous. So have you ever ever seen it, although?

Tony:
Yeah, yeah. I’ve seen all of the Austin Powers.

Ashley:
Oh, okay, okay.

Tony:
It’s been some time. It’s been some time.

Ashley:
Yeah. Now that you understand Tommy Boy back and front, I obtained to seek out new motion pictures to cite to maintain you in your toes.

Tony:
Yeah.

Ashley:
Please ship film options for me to coach Tony on, @wealthfromrentals on Instagram. Thanks guys a lot for becoming a member of us for the rookie reply ramble with Tony and Ashley. And we might be again on Wednesday with a visitor and get to listen to their story about actual property investing. Thanks guys a lot for becoming a member of us. I’m Ashley @wealthfromrentals and he’s Tony @tonyjrobinson on Instagram. And we’ll see you guys subsequent time.